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New Cowboy's avatar

What a fantastic article. I live in Montana, and the same goes for the West. If you want to live in Bozeman, Missoula or even Billings, the costs will keep you a slave to credit unless you are a trust fund baby. But there are amazing places like Scobey, or Plains where there are cheap places to buy. You are exactly right that the cold, and isolation scares people off, but they fail to see how beautiful it can be. Without going into all the benefits of learning to be tough, one of the things young people should think about is their kids. Growing up in the country is probably the biggest gift you can ever give to your kids. Leaving in the morning after doing chores, and returning just in time to do chores again, while running wild with your dog and siblings is worth more than any culture in the big city. I promise.

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I love your articles about upstate New York -- they're why I subscribed in the first place. But at the same time I have questions about your upstate boosterism. Living for $432 a month using a kind of syncretism of subsistence techniques, as you recommend, requires certain skills that are no longer universal.

For one thing, the house requires repair. If the person who buys it doesn't know how to fix it himself, he will need to know who to ask, which presumes at least a small degree of embeddedness in a community. And he will need to know HOW to ask. To have venison in the freezer and fish on the table assumes a familiarity with hunting and fishing that I suspect (perhaps wrongly) that many reading this or other Substacks lack.

The hypothetical person relocating to these isolated villages will also be a stranger. Are these communities welcoming to lone strangers? What if the newcomer comes with cultural, ethnic, religious, or ideological differences -- will the community be receptive, or will these differences bring disruption to it and even more isolation to the relocator? Conversely, what if the people who read this (or any Substack) relocate to Massena and similar places en masse? Will the place be altered so that it no longer possesses the selling points you describe?

You are already a community of two, soon to be three. Keturah grew up with the Amish so has certain inroads into their community that most newcomers would not possess. But I think that most people who might take you up on your challenge would be lonely and isolated. It's not a negligible cost of living that makes for a good life in America. It's community, and the lack of it is why people are on Substack to begin with.

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